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March of the Relentless Zombie Bigots

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:21 pm
by bigaquarium
Evening!

You know one thing that doesn't get said enough is how great the Mixcraft Orchestral Instruments are, really a cut above anything in the price range. I'm in the middle of composing a more involved track using such instruments. Here's a sample...


https://soundcloud.com/user-263279432/m ... sneak-peak

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:46 pm
by jlouvar
Yeah, MC instrument's sound fantastic... good job. :)

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:02 pm
by Steve Jobe
Whoa ! delightfully constructed!, begging for a fretless bass and some crunch power chords IMO to spice it up (not to much as to unbalance the delightful parts ..You go Brother !!! jobe

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:08 pm
by bigaquarium
Steve Jobe wrote:Whoa ! delightfully constructed!, begging for a fretless bass and some crunch power chords IMO to spice it up


Lol thanks. Don’t know why but I immediately thought of the soundtrack for Ladyhawke when you wrote that. Ever seen that movie?

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:32 pm
by Steve Jobe
...Nay on the movie, yea on the fretless....good stuff, like it!!

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:12 pm
by bigaquarium
Steve Jobe wrote:...Nay on the movie, yea on the fretless....good stuff, like it!!


I think it was a Richard Donner film (post Superman), and it was somewhat widely panned because although it's a great medieval-aged kind of film it had a largely rock soundtrack instead of an orchestra!

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:49 am
by Ian Craig
bigaquarium wrote:I think it was a Richard Donner film (post Superman), and it was somewhat widely panned because although it's a great medieval-aged kind of film it had a largely rock soundtrack instead of an orchestra!
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I just listened twice because it was class. It sounded like a new section of Rick Wakeman's - 'The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table' album. Very enjoyable :)

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:03 am
by bigaquarium
Thank you!

There are two sections missing from that recording, some menacing chordal string stuff in between the opening and the march proper, and then a ponderous piano ad lib at the end before a big dissonant chord with the whole orchestra.

Still have to add voices, dynamics and expression, and change some voicings.... big job!

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:50 am
by mick
Bigaquarium comments Evening!

You know one thing that doesn't get said enough is how great the Mixcraft Orchestral Instruments are, really a cut above anything in the price range. I'm in the middle of composing a more involved track using such instruments. Here's a sample...


From day one I've maintained Acoustica Instruments and drums are capable of much greater things other than OTB and you just proved it with your musical talent. :D

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:54 am
by bigaquarium
One question I have is about mastering an orchestral project. I’d like to create a sense of the room and a bit of space between the listener and the instruments without oodles of reverb. Izotope is really good about creating different spaces but the Izotope compression seems to be pretty aggressive most of the time to me anyway. Is it just a matter of lowering the gain before it hits Izotope to overcome this? I did pick up the Ozone Imager too, maybe that would be better.

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:39 pm
by Ian Craig
bigaquarium wrote:One question I have is about mastering an orchestral project. I’d like to create a sense of the room and a bit of space between the listener and the instruments without oodles of reverb. Izotope is really good about creating different spaces but the Izotope compression seems to be pretty aggressive most of the time to me anyway. Is it just a matter of lowering the gain before it hits Izotope to overcome this? I did pick up the Ozone Imager too, maybe that would be better.

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iZotope compression is by default far too extreme. I don't know how to get it to work. There are many good compressors, so I never bother with it, I just use them (as I experiment and test stuff I arbitrarily use whatever I think of at the time that I can be bothered with, so I won't try recommending anything). I always use the Ozone 8 advanced Spectral Shaper in mid/side/ mode and the Ozone Imager to create space. Then the Ozone Maximizer sometimes for compression/limiting. I don't bother with the Neutron compressors. You could try an auto-gain plugin (I haven't had much success using them so far and tend to do everything manually, but there are a good few about). Subtractive EQing might help as well to limit troublesome imbalances in the sound. As you say, it may only require lowering the gain on the way in. I've tried that myself. I can't remember if I used the result or used other processors instead. Everything has to be left til the next day to see if it's worked properly unless you post it here or somewhere were you can get quick feedback. I hope this is useful. Keep up the great work :)

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:44 pm
by bigaquarium
Afternoon,

Here's this week's update!

https://soundcloud.com/user-263279432/m ... ts-updated

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Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:08 pm
by Ian Craig
It sounded way better before the compression (if that's what you did to the sound, other than adding stuff). I'd personally not have reduced the fast piano part's volumes where you did either. It's just my impression. I had the same troubles with my track Haywire in 1997/98. There ended up being 250 versions before I finished it, so expect to have to backtrack on some decisions.

Re: Sneak Peak

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:53 am
by bigaquarium
Ian Craig wrote:It sounded way better before the compression (if that's what you did to the sound, other than adding stuff). I'd personally not have reduced the fast piano part's volumes where you did either. It's just my impression. I had the same troubles with my track Haywire in 1997/98. There ended up being 250 versions before I finished it, so expect to have to backtrack on some decisions.


Yeah, I'm actually scratching my head right now trying to figure out why that is happening, perhaps there's a hidden envelope that needs to be reset somewhere. Mixing dozens of orchestral tracks is... challenging. :)

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Re: March of the Relentless Zombie Bigots

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:42 pm
by bigaquarium