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Free Neutrino

Postby Pete Stobbs » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:42 am

I have downloaded this and I can't tell any difference.

https://www.izotope.com/en/products/mix/neutrino/#system-requirements

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby chibear » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:23 pm

Ya, I downloaded it and tried it with my violins in the upper register which are harsh no matter what lib I use using HD-280s. At 100% on both controls and the selector set on voice (instrument did nothing for my ears) I was able to hear a slight mellowing of the sound. Maybe someone with engineers' ears might be more impressed. I don't think it's a compatibility issue; It just doesn't do all that much. If that was the bait, probably not many gonna get hooked. :lol:
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Tranceprod Dan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:23 am

It's definitely just a really subtle effect even when maxing the knobs, so it's working but unless you have a really good monitoring system you're not really going to pick up too much of a difference.
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:19 pm

Experimented with it all week since it was released.

I placed an incidence on every track and in addition on every sub-mix track of a fairly complex project.
I then mixed down a version of the project with, and another without.
A/B comparisons on good headphones and again on studio monitors repeatedly.
I can barely discern any difference on headphones. Honestly hear no difference on monitors.

I then flipped the phase of one of the tracks to null out what was the same and hear only what was changed. I would guess theres some very mild dynamic EQ activity going on at various frequencies.
Very subtle.

So my conclusion: If its so subtle I can't really tell what its doing, is it an improvement? Or just a change I cant really quantify?
And if I can barely hear it on studio headphones, what is the worth on playback on a typical consumer system?

Similar to several other recent releases from them, its just weird. I hope they are enjoying themselves. :roll:
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby UilleannB » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:01 am

I tried and didn't really notice a change either, but have to admit I didn't tried it very much so far.
Just curious for other's experiences.

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby UilleannB » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:54 am

They released the full version called Neutron now, with an intro offer. Not sure, if this really adds something to the options that come already with Mixcraft, or just makes things easier. Opinions?

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:36 am

chibear wrote: If that was the bait, probably not many gonna get hooked.


I think that about sums it up for me. No chance I am going to buy based on the results of trying Neutron. They cant tempt me with a promo price on something I cant even hear doing anything..... That's not a great deal.
As far as I can see, the Emperor has no clothes. :lol:

And FWIW, I don't think Neutrino compares directly to anything in Mixcraft as far as I can tell, so I am not sure what that part of the question means.

I've demoed or used most of their plug ins, most either just don't impress or they have GUI's that are just too weird for my tastes.
Ozone7 has its strengths, but is a bit pricey for the home studio/hobbyist IMO.
The freebies they have thrown out over the last year (DDLY, Vinyl and Neutron) are just weird.
I have and use the Nectar Elements vocal plug in, and like it, but not so much as to make me eager to buy the full version. Yet.
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby UilleannB » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:19 am

Mark Bliss wrote:
chibear wrote: If that was the bait, probably not many gonna get hooked.


I think that about sums it up for me. No chance I am going to buy based on the results of trying Neutron.


I'm also not sure what Neutrino was supposed to be. But ostensibly that is just a small part of Neutron.


Mark Bliss wrote:And FWIW, I don't think Neutrino compares directly to anything in Mixcraft as far as I can tell, so I am not sure what that part of the question means.


What I meant was, Mixcraft comes with a lot of plugins, EQs, compressors etc. ways to shape your sound,of which I still haven't the full overview. I was wondering if someone has an opinion whether you can do with those plugins already come with Mixcraft what Neutron does (just maybe here it's a single Plugin).

Mark Bliss wrote:I've demoed or used most of their plug ins, most either just don't impress or they have GUI's that are just too weird for my tastes.


iZotope Mastering Essentials is great imo. Stutter Edit isn't made with Mixcraft in mind, I got it to work without knowing what I was doing, but asa soon as I figured that out it will be a great plugin too.

I focus too much on composing and am not yet so experienced with mixing, that's why I ask for opinions.

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:33 am

I am in the middle of studying an in depth third party tutorial on Neutron, and so far..... I'd say it has some interesting features and I may have to change my position. Neutrino was a very poor introduction to it imo, and iZotopes has done a very poor job of presenting it, of that I am certain.
I'll probably decide I would like it just about the time the intro price offer expires. That's about par for me.

Mastering essentials has never really been anything I could get excited about. The interface and controls are weird, and to be honest, there isn't even one preset I have found useful as a starting point or even for educational purposes for exploring the plug in. That's just me, opinions vary, use what works for you. Plenty of fish about.

Stutter edit? As far as I can tell..... I don't think it has any purpose in any music I would produce or listen to. Again, that's just me.
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Rolling Estonian » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:00 pm

Mark Bliss wrote:Stutter edit? As far as I can tell..... I don't think it has any purpose in any music I would produce or listen to.


Oh come on! The Who My G-g-g-g-Generation? The Knack M-m-m-m-m-My Sharona? :twisted:

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:21 pm

:roll: Uh, yeah.... cause that's how that was done back then!

I stick to my original story, until exposed evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby UilleannB » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:36 pm

Mark Bliss wrote:I am in the middle of studying an in depth third party tutorial on Neutron, and so far..... I'd say it has some interesting features and I may have to change my position.


Is this tutorial accessible free online?

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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:48 pm

Not free, I think you can purchase the tutorial individually for a fairly affordable price however.
https://www.groove3.com/izotope-trainin ... -Explained

It may seem odd to some that I study tutorials on software I don't own...... but I have a full membership to everything on the site, so I often evaluate plug ins before considering purchase, or just to gain knowledge and understanding of whats available by getting some more in-depth information.
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Re: Free Neutrino

Postby Mark Bliss » Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:15 pm

Correction, maybe "in depth" was a poor choice of term.
These are more often than that more of a "thorough feature overview", and additionally often have a bit of a "promotional" tone or quality.
But that's ok as long as you consider that. Better than a vague "you know you want it' sales pitch.
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