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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby dpaterson » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:41 am

Hello again.

Yeh I've noticed that WAVES is REAL popular among the pro. fraternity. My very first WAVES plugin was that darn VU Meter plugin and it left a bad taste in my mouth. But I have to admit that my collection of WAVES plugins sure is (sure WAS I mean to say i.e. in light of my one post above) growing steadily!!! LOL!!!

Only thing I have from FabFilter is Pro-Q 2. VERY nice EQ I must say. I saw that special and was very tempted to be honest. But I have to watch myself and be realistic i.e. in just about everything I've worked on for a good while now (have never actually FINISHED anything but that's another story!!! LOL!!!) I inevitably find myself slapping Melda "something or the other" and iZtotope "something or the other" onto tracks (for mixing). And with this latest excursion into mastering (the purpose of this thread) I have to say that I always gravitate to IKM's Lurssen Mastering Console or TRackS 5's "The One" (all depends on my mood!!! LOL!!!). And a lot of the free stuff (there is SOME good out there though) has fallen by the wayside I'm afraid.

But I made this point on a thread (cannot remember if it was this one or another): there's just SO much stuff (plugins) out there and I've kinda come to the point where I don't think I could want for, or need, more UNLESS I was doing this for a living (and even then I'm not sure just how much more one would want for or need). Put it this way: I think I've ALREADY gone too far with all of this stuff. My original goal (this time around and the last attempt) was to put a band together NOT to become a recording / mixing / mastering engineer!!! As it stands NOW: I think I'm better at this recording / mixing / mastering stuff than I am as a musician (as a guitar player anyway)!!! And that will not do I'm afraid!!! Then again: I really don't think it hurts a musician to know about all of this stuff (this just based on some recordings and videos I've seen of bands of late that really are not up to scratch) (but then again: they're "out there" and "doing their thing" so who I am to criticise let's face it).

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Dale.

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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby starise » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:12 am

Yeah, I'm kinda at the same fork in the road. I scanned over 950 plugins. I had no idea I had that many. Lot's of redundancy. I still like to look and occasionally buy. I really like that Fabfilter MB Compressor. If I'm honest with myself I don't need it. I have others that will work probably for me just fine, and if I bought the FF MB I would probably forget the others because then I would have probably the best non hardware based Multi Band compressor on the market.

Waves has a buy one for 29.00 and get the next for $1. It's always the one I don't have I want. I am looking at the Infected Mushroom Pusher. All of the mastering stuff I'll ever need is in Ozone and my Waves collection. Vitamin, CLA Mixdown, Schepps Parallel Particles, they all do similar things to the IK Lurssen Mastering Console. I would still like to try the Lurssen though. Especially since IK have a 10fer 1 going on right now. I'm at that point though
where I need to start using the stuff I already have, and as you say, if we can't do it with what we have we may as well give it up lol! In some cases I think the variety makes the hobby more fun for me. If I can try 4 different EQ's
on a track to get the best sound I have fun in the process.

People tend to make mastering seem so complicated. It is something that takes more than a set of decent plugins. You need to know what they all do, but it really isn't THAT complicated. A mastering chain is a mastering chain. I experimented a bit and combined different plugins of the same type using the same chains, EQ's, compressors, limiters. In most cases unless you have rock bottom crappy plugins a track can can sound good with almost any of the better known and tested plugins. To be sure, there are differences in quality between some plugins and this is all cumulative toward the end result. Poorly written EQ's have negative inter frequency harmonics and noise going on. Poor compressors don't give the right amount of clean gain reduction when it's needed. Some limiters can't seem to leave surrounding freqs. alone when they limit or they can't leave the clean sounding result needed, so I guess I don't agree with what I've heard many say- A daw is a daw and all plugins are basically the same. I don't have it all figured out either. I have some of it figured out.
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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby dpaterson » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:46 am

Hello again.

I've read your post above probably ten times. And you know what??? You've said it all i.e. there ain't nothing I can add nor disagree with!!! LOL!!!

And this I like:

I don't have it all figured out either. I have some of it figured out.

Sounds about right!!!

One thing I couldn't help but notice is that you have an HP Omen??? How's that thing??? Must be MONSTER right??? STRANGELY enough: it's also one of those things that I see all the time and have to keep reminding myself that I DO NOT NEED IT!!! LOL!!! That being said: I'm willing to wager that if there were Windows 7 Pro drivers etc. available for it I'd have bought one by now. So much for my "NO MORE SPENDING UNTIL YOU HAVE A HIT DALE" resolve!!! LOL!!! But yeh: they sure do look nice. I've got a HP ProBook 450 G3 (didn't know about the Omen when I bought this). Works for me i.e. no matter what I throw at it from within Mixcraft my System CPU is never over 10% and my Mixcraft CPU is rarely above 5% and RAM usually around 40% (and I must say that it's normally only BFD3 at full res. that causes my figures to climb a bit). So what more could I want (other than an HP Omen of course!!! LOL!!!). Admittedly: I think I'm running the record for the least amount of services running (every time I disable something more I wonder if the thing ain't gonna explode) (or worse still: just not boot anymore!!! LOL!!!).

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Dale.

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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby Mark Bliss » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:22 am

:lol:
#That moment when you download a promising looking plug-in and Windows reminds "that file already exists".....
I don't remember downloading that!

Yeah, past time to get some work done aye? 8)
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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby dpaterson » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:26 am

Aye Cap'n!!! LOL!!!

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Dale.

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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby starise » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:28 pm

dpaterson wrote:Hello again.

I've read your post above probably ten times. And you know what??? You've said it all i.e. there ain't nothing I can add nor disagree with!!! LOL!!!

And this I like:

I don't have it all figured out either. I have some of it figured out.

Sounds about right!!!

One thing I couldn't help but notice is that you have an HP Omen??? How's that thing??? Must be MONSTER right??? STRANGELY enough: it's also one of those things that I see all the time and have to keep reminding myself that I DO NOT NEED IT!!! LOL!!! That being said: I'm willing to wager that if there were Windows 7 Pro drivers etc. available for it I'd have bought one by now. So much for my "NO MORE SPENDING UNTIL YOU HAVE A HIT DALE" resolve!!! LOL!!! But yeh: they sure do look nice. I've got a HP ProBook 450 G3 (didn't know about the Omen when I bought this). Works for me i.e. no matter what I throw at it from within Mixcraft my System CPU is never over 10% and my Mixcraft CPU is rarely above 5% and RAM usually around 40% (and I must say that it's normally only BFD3 at full res. that causes my figures to climb a bit). So what more could I want (other than an HP Omen of course!!! LOL!!!). Admittedly: I think I'm running the record for the least amount of services running (every time I disable something more I wonder if the thing ain't gonna explode) (or worse still: just not boot anymore!!! LOL!!!).

Regards,

Dale.


Hi Dale,

I mostly use the desktop I built from a 5820K intel chip. I have 3 500gb SSDs in it and have it over clocked. The whole reason I bought the OMEN was to play with backing tracks on stage. Lately we haven't been running tracks, so I haven't used it as much as I intended to. I will be using it more in the future I think. I use a Keith McMillen Instruments QuNeo controller with it to trigger tracks in Ableton Live. The Qneo is more novelty. Most any controller will do.

A few tips on the HP OMEN. There's a bunch of different configurations of them. Not all of them have the same specs. When I went looking I had a few things on my list that were musts-
-Needed to have two hard drives or SSDs
-If drives were HDD they had to be 7200rpm.
-i7 intl cpu
-at least 16gb of memory

The reason for this is I planned to run Kontakt from the stage at times with a midi controller,so I needed boot OS drive and a library drive. For recording 8gb of memory isn't enough for heavy projects . 5400rpm hard drives are slower than 7200 rpm drives.
Mine also has a killer graphics card since it's really a gamer laptop. It has an M2 or onboard secondary SSD. I have had no issues with it. It is BIG though for a laptop. I should mention not all OMENS have the same screen size.

So if you're looking at these you need to look at the specs. I got a really good deal on mine online.
Intel 5820K O.C. 4.4ghz,
3 x Samsung SATA III 500gb SSD,Win 10 64bit, Presonus Firetube Studio
Laptop HP Omen i7 16gb 2/sdd with Focusrite interface.
CbB, Studio One, Mixcraft 8 Pro, Ableton Live 10
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Re: What levels are YOU mixing down to for mastering???

Postby dpaterson » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:27 am

Yelo.

For the sake of interest: following on from the other thread (sample rates and bit depths) after looking at those videos I decided to have a listen to the Metallica album that Andrew is so proud of i.e. saying he's won the loudness war!!! LOL!!! And for some or the other inexplicable reason: just after listening to a few of the Metallica tracks I started listening to something that I'd not listened to in an absolute age i.e. an album by a group called Hellyeah. And for an even more inexplicable reason I opened two of the files i.e. one from Metallica and one from Hellyeah. You think Metallica was "pushed"??? Think again. Odd thing though: the Hellyeah album is nowhere NEAR as ANNOYING (to me anyway) as the Metallica album (but alright: in all fairness I've never been a Metallica fan so that could play a role).

And by the way and in spite of my previously saying that this is NOT a valid representation of a mix: it actually is. My previous comparison was flawed only because of the horizontal zoom level. For this comparison the exact same time slice of each track is zoomed in so you are indeed comparing like for like (the vertical scale does not change ever). Anyway and in addition to the graphical representations: the loudness and peak statistics of the Hellyeah file exceed those of the Metallica file. The files, by the way, are from the actual uncompressed WAV files (1 441kb/s, 44.1kHz, 16-bit) (not from the YouTube audio tracks which, as per Andrew's discussion, may or may not be of the highest quality).

Metallica - This Was Just Your Life (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxg-re3woo0):

Metallica - This Was Just Your Life.JPG
Metallica - This Was Just Your Life.JPG (240.72 KiB) Viewed 366 times

Hellyeah - Hellyeah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyu5ckar5mQ):

Hellyeah - Hellyeah.JPG
Hellyeah - Hellyeah.JPG (175.22 KiB) Viewed 366 times

Just for some fun I guess!!!

Regards,

Dale.


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