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Help mixing vocals

Postby laser » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:49 pm

I don't know if people even do this but, I was wondering if there is a way to duplicate a vocal track and then offest it hair to get a fuller sound without haveing to overdub?

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby outteh » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:05 pm

Yes. After you have your track recorded, duplicate it on to another track (right click on the track and select duplicate track). Then with your snap to measure set to 1/64, move the second track slightly. You can set snap off and move it slightly or more as you would like for the effect. I would also recommend putting the two tracks into a submix track and pan one left and one right (your preference on the separation). Then you can set effects on the submix track that will work both vocal tracks at the same time.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby trevlyns » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:08 am

also, you can double the part by singing it again to a second track..
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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby aj113 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:51 am

outteh wrote:...I would also recommend putting the two tracks into a submix track and pan one left and one right (your preference on the separation)....
Be careful of invoking the Haas Effect when you do this.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby laser » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:00 am

Thanks I'll give it a shot.


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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby Brian S » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:19 pm

You might also be interested in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvhUzRkGdUI

This is creating an artificial double using plug ins. As always, Graham delivers something usable and simple.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby Ianpb » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:22 pm

You will likely find that if your duplicate track follows too closely behind the original, phase-cancellation will occur, making the audio actually sound unpleasant, and as the space is increased, a slap-back effect begins to occur. I've never liked this method anyway. For a fuller, warmer vocal sound I've found the Classic Chorus can work very well.

Start off by setting the delay to around 35 ms, rate at 0.2Hz, depth 15%, and mix at 1:1. You can then tweak to your personal taste. I've found these settings are like a mega-tight double-track. Activate the 'Spread' button for an even fuller stereo effect. You will find that as you reduce the delay time the phase cancellation starts to come into play, causing the warmth to be lost.

The Acoustica Chorus is no good for this purpose because its rate is fixed too fast, with no means of reducing it.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby CrazyLarry » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:01 pm

Acoustica Chorus has a setting in it called Off Key which will thicken up a vocal track.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby Ianpb » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:14 pm

CrazyLarry wrote:Acoustica Chorus has a setting in it called Off Key which will thicken up a vocal track.

The trouble with Acoustica Chorus is with the fixed rate being to fast, which causes vocals to sound a bit fake and mechanical.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby laser » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:03 pm

I tried copying and offsetting by hair but it didn't do what I'd hope. I have found that if I over dub and turn down the volume of one of the tracks I still get a full sound and it doesn't have a chorus type of effect. It might not be the best way but it's simple.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby Ianpb » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:12 pm

laser wrote:I tried copying and offsetting by hair but it didn't do what I'd hope. I have found that if I over dub and turn down the volume of one of the tracks I still get a full sound and it doesn't have a chorus type of effect. It might not be the best way but it's simple.

You didn't give my suggestion a try then?

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby outteh » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:35 pm

Might have misunderstood your original post. If your looking to thicken up the vocal, the chorus effects are one way to go. It will take a little experimenting to find the sound you want. If you have Mixcraft Pro 6, the classic chorus has some interesting presets designed for instruments but they add to vocals also. Try a few. Also several third-party plugins, Kerovee is one I've used and there are others.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby laser » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:07 pm

I haven't tried the acoustica chorus yet. I'll have to give it a try when I have the time. Thanks.

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Re: Help mixing vocals

Postby Ianpb » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:51 pm

laser wrote:I haven't tried the acoustica chorus yet. I'll have to give it a try when I have the time. Thanks.

The Acoustica chorus is hopeless for your requirements. Try the Classic chorus with the settings I supplied.


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