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Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:24 am

Hi,

Have never been able to successfully transfer an entire Mixcraft project (mixcraft files) between computers. Whenever I have tried this, there is always a missing file that Mixcraft can't locate, and it's somewhere on the parent hard drive, or somewhere, and you can't find it.

Soon I want to upgrade to a 16GB Ram pc in order to try out the new Mixcraft, so I was wondering, if I remove my old internal hard drive and insert it into the new pc - but as a secondary drive - I can then revive some projects which were creaking in the old 8GB pc, but will now have double the memory to play with, hopefully allowing me to tweak what I couldn't, and add parts which were causing the rivets to pop out from the old desktop.

There's one song in particular I'm keen to rework with more Ram and a better processor but - as I say - it's on the old hard drive, so why not import the entire drive into a more powerful desktop?

Many thanks.
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby Pete Stobbs » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:39 am

You are using Copy project files to?
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:39 pm

Pete Stobbs wrote:You are using Copy project files to?


Thanks, not sure what you mean? They are Mixcraft Project files. I guess I do copy them, yes, onto other computers running Mixcraft. When I have a project typically made up from a dozen MC project files I mix everything down to a single mp3 or wav file.

It would help if I could rework one or several of these Mixcraft Project file songs in their original MC6 format, computer-to-computer, but so far I have never been able to do this. So I wondered if I imported an entire hard drive of MC6 projects into a new, more powerful computer, I could then work on projects which didn't have enough memory / cpu latitude in the old 2core pc?

So I wouldn't be copying these MC files, I'd be working from the originals :)
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby fredfish » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:54 pm

What Pete is referring to is using the menu option "Copy Project To" rather than just manualy copying individual project elements.

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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:52 pm

Thanks. Sorry, I've never used that facility :-o

Anyway, I still plan to upgrade my DAW, and that piece of information may come in very handy one of these days :) So my idea to transplant my old HDD into a new computer should work then - new computer running MC6 (or 7 or both) - old HDD containing all my MC6 music projects going back to 2013?

Then again, I could always put the old HDD into a case and use it as a usb-external hard drive?
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby Mark Bliss » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:08 pm

kr236rk wrote:Thanks. Sorry, I've never used that facility

And that is the root of your filing problem.

Create a project folder and name it, use the proper save function with that folder as the project destination.
Doing so saves all the project assets to one place, eliminating the primary cause for the lost files and "searching for sounds" issues.
The other half of the "tip" is to name your recorded tracks......

Reusing the hard drive may work, in theory. Having tried this before, I can tell you from experience that there are far too many potential pitfalls to not strongly recommend backing up any projects you care about first, by using the appropriate method as described above.

Learn it. Make it a habit. Its the correct way to archive your projects.
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:38 pm

Many thanks,

All my projects are named - otherwise my song production over the last 2 or 3 years or so would be something approaching '0' I should think :D

Don't know why there always seems to be a file missing from a project transfer - even when it's named, Mixcraft starts whizzing through multiple directories. If I'm lucky I remember exactly where the file was 'borrowed' from and manually direct Mixcraft to the folder and - yes! - the project loads.

You have to understand, I sometimes make dozens to scores of a virtually identical audio file until I have it as I want it, that's when the fun begins, suddenly Mixcraft can't find the 25th run I made of a drum roll which I then (25.2) added some reverb to as an afterthought.

Perhaps now is indeed a good point in time to upgrade my DAW and simplify my saved file names / folders. That's comparatively easy for mp3s and wavs but not so easy for the Mixcraft project files. Despite naming all my projects, I still end up with hundreds of numbered Mixcraft project files, they seem to be numbered by default? These files are ultimately useless because you don't know what they are after a while. What is to be done? I guess with the new DAW I need to identify these files from the word 'go' and name them, after listening back to them, I can't see any other way of stopping Mixcraft creating all these numbered files? It's not that easy to find them either, they come up under the File tab but not under the Recent Projects tab which is what I rely on to find previous projects.

All my work was archived separately (hard drive) until I allowed Microsoft to use that drive for backup - it kept prompting me - it then wiped the entire drive and recorded a 'fail' for backup. I will never allow any external entity to auto-backup for me again. When I remove the current drive I hope to also clone it so that I have a whole hard drive devoted to back-up. Drives do fail though, I had one which turned to toast one day, for no particular reason, it just fried. Goodness knows what I lost, mostly digital holiday photos on that one I think :-|

A plus is that every song I have recorded exists in name as mp3 and wav format, those are easy to archive ;)

Ps. In retrospect, what I think I'm doing is following the 'save it' rule - click 'save' every time you modify a project. It sounds like I should be clicking 'save as' instead, and naming every single revision of a song which might have 20 or even more stages before it is mixed down to wav - maybe that's one place I am slipping up?
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby Mark Bliss » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:13 pm

I think the primary problems are that people tend to overthink it.

Its really simple. First, Re-read my last post. After that:

"Save" updates the project to all current revisions.

If you want to leave the old version, and save an alternative version, use "save as" and rename.

Yes, Mixcraft is set by default to number projects for those who dont do the above.
(My Mixcraft projects file has one numbered project file. Number one. It is empty. Perpetually.)

My previous suggestion about naming your recorded tracks alludes to the common problem of multiple tracks existing with the same default name and causing the wrong track to be picked up and appear in your project. Different facet of the same problem.

Fix your workflow, problem goes away. Promise.
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:52 pm

Thanks, well that's foxed me then - I tend to name everything - and still end up with 100s of numbered MC project files. I'll just have to keep tracking them down, listening to them then naming them. Very time intensive but better than files you can't identify.

Just a moment though, I just found one of my named Mixcraft projects. Mixcraft has created a numbered folder for it - by default, as you say - and my neatly named file sits invisibly inside the numbered folder, number 240 something. So, in order to find my named file, I now need to delete the meaningless folder number and rename the folder with the file name sitting inside it.

Apart from this, I really do <3 Mixcraft!

Hey ho :)
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby Acoustica Greg » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:01 pm

Hi,

Mixcraft 7 avoids this issue by giving the project folder the name you give your project when you first save. So, instead of a bunch of project folders called "Mixcraft Project nn," you'd have meaningful project folder names.

Did you know it's only $29.95 to upgrade to the standard edition of Mixcraft 7?

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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:35 pm

Acoustica Greg wrote:Hi,

Mixcraft 7 avoids this issue by giving the project folder the name you give your project when you first save. So, instead of a bunch of project folders called "Mixcraft Project nn," you'd have meaningful project folder names.

Did you know it's only $29.95 to upgrade to the standard edition of Mixcraft 7?

Greg


Sounds cool, Greg, thanks :) better get that DAW upgrade on the go, then I can run 6 & 7 side by side - looking forward to it!
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby aj113 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:19 am

Mark Bliss wrote:Create a project folder and name it, use the proper save function with that folder as the project destination.
Doing so saves all the project assets to one place, eliminating the primary cause for the lost files and "searching for sounds" issues.
Not true. This action only ensures that tracks that are recorded in the project are saved to one folder. It doesn't account for files (samples and reference tracks for example) that are imported to the project.

The other half of the "tip" is to name your recorded tracks......
Again, not true. This only works when you name a track before recording. When you're in a studio scenario recording multiple takes of a lead vocals you don't want to be messing about with track naming every time you switch to a new track. Additionally, track naming is normally only done after recording, because the name of the track often refers to the way that the artist performed. (which you have no way of knowing until the track is actually recorded).
Learn it. Make it a habit. Its the correct way to archive your projects.
I disagree. There is no 'correct' way of archiving but the most foolproof way in my experience is to make sure that all project sounds and elements are in one folder, including the project, its backups and any 'save as' variants. Then you can copy or move the entire folder to any computer, and open any of the projects by double-clicking it. MC will find all the relevant files without any issues.

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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:32 am

It might also be pertinent to invoke the old aphorism that 'no two people will use a computer in exactly the same way', so while suggestions can be helpful, exhortative lecturing will probably have a negative effect; especially if the information being imparted is not necessarily correct in the first place.
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby Mark Bliss » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:47 am

kr236rk, correct and point taken. I apologize for the lecturing tone, its quite unintended. In fact I not only apologize but thank you for pointing it out. Its not how I wish to be perceived. I think maybe I may have needed the reminder to get some sleep. :D

I also overlooked the fact that you were using V6. That changes things slightly, and to be honest, I dont remember the exact details. Excuse, I'm old and it wasn't yesterday! Far easier to advise an upgrade. 8)

Most of my frustration is caused by the fact that this topic pops up so frequently, and it seems all to often the user seems hard set on refusing to try any of the advise given.
I am not saying the way things work, or the advice I tried to give is perfect. In fact several of us have lobbied for some change in the way this works for quite some time. And I have stated before that the minor changes made for V7 still werent really what was needed to make the process more obvious and transparent. But its the way it is and what we have to work with for now.

Using the "copy project to folder" function is I think, a major part of the solution of a large part of the described problem. And I strongly suspect it is a full solution for the majority of users. I can imagine a small number of scenarios where it isnt, and I acknowledge there are likely some I havent imagined. But even for them, its part of the solution, and further steps may be necessary.

The track naming issue needs work. Again, just working with what we have. The reason the combination works consistently for me is probably tied in part to the fact that for the most part I only archive or move projects where the tracks have been rendered to stems. My reasoning is that it makes keeping organized and manageable files easier, reduces the odds of files getting scrambled, and besides, I dont want to spend a bunch of time figuring out where I was at in my work when I open it up later.

So ok, what I said may not apply to every user, agreed. But I suspect the vast majority will eliminate the lost, crossed and confused filing if they just do as I suggested. As I said, it has worked for me, 100% of the time since I started filing that way. And if it doesnt work for some, its a start.

Hope that helps. Thats all I really want anyway.
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Re: Transferring Mixcraft projects?

Postby kr236rk » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:55 am

Thanks, it sounds like MC7 addresses the filing issue to an extent and I look forward to trying it out in the not too distant future ;)
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