choking midi cymbals ??

[gypsy101]

ok,I can choke them w/ the keyboard controller but when it plays back after mixing down to MP3,WAV they're not. I've tried shortening the actual notes in the midi screen but it still rings out..

[gypsy101]

I guess this would be the closest thing.
http://demon.acoustica.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4402

and yes,the choked cymbals are on their own track already.

[outteh]

Try this:
Insert an open high hat hit into piano roll. Then insert another hit on the same note at the time you want the choke to take effect. Double click that second note so the note properties come up. Change the velocity to a low number (e.g. 10). This seemed to choke the HH perfectly.

Lot of work but if it helps....

[gypsy101]

choking a hi-hat is no problem,you just hit open hi-hat then pedal hi-hat when you want the note to stop & it usually does the velocity automatically. this is for a cymbal choke.

[outteh]

Try the method with a cymbal (instead of the hi-hat).

[J Gretch]

If I'm understanding you,the problem is not choking cymbals.The problem is getting that action to remain in the mixdown?

[Vibrant Audio]

In addition to the method described in the other post, you can put Volume Level controls (MIDI CC#7) down in the controller area of the midi clip.

Works like a charm!

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[gypsy101]

In addition to the method described in the other post, you can put Volume Level controls (MIDI CC#7) down in the controller area of the midi clip.

Works like a charm!

CymbalChoke.png

that kinda works,still doesn't sound totally natural but...maybe I'll just redo it w/ real cymbals.

[Vibrant Audio]

BTW, the Acoustica Studio Drums kit has a 'Cymbal Choke' where General MIDI kits put a Splash Cymbal (Note #55).

Maybe that will do it for you?

[TrevsAudio]

please give me a virtual kick in the ass if this is blatantly obvious - but will it still happen if you mix the MIDI to a new audio track?

[Vibrant Audio]

In addition to what trev asks, how are you doing the choke with your keyboard? Just releasing the key? Or using another key/pressing a button?

The keyboard would have to be sending a midi message to make that happen. So I wonder if that message is not being recorded.

BTW, you can also add a CC#120 'All Sound Off' message. It will work the same as the other suggestions above. You can type in '120' into the Controller list and then drop in a low value in the controller section. The benefit of this is that you don't need to drop in a high value to reset the control like you do with volume adjustments - the next note will just play at it's own value.

[gypsy101]

I was using the modulation wheel set short.

BTW, the Acoustica Studio Drums kit has a 'Cymbal Choke' where General MIDI kits put a Splash Cymbal (Note #55).

Maybe that will do it for you?

I couldn't figure that one out. lol
it's an Alesis Q49 controller and their manual is not too indepth.
I found a couple different ways to do it w/ midi but it just doesn't sound natural. when you do it w/ real cymbals there's still a palm muted muffled ring & "trail" to the sound but midi or electronic seems to just shut it off too abruptly.
Hmmm,adding some bottom eq seemed to have helped it but it's still not natural.

[Vibrant Audio]

With real drums the drummer more often than not hits the kick drum at the same time as the cymbal choke. You might try that.

Also, sending all the drums to a reverb send track can help with the sense of after-ring that is missing with dry tracks.

[gypsy101]

With real drums the drummer more often than not hits the kick drum at the same time as the cymbal choke. You might try that.

Also, sending all the drums to a reverb send track can help with the sense of after-ring that is missing with dry tracks.

I do the bass drum w/it.

the cymbals already have 'verb but I didn't think of a send track.
here's the song I'm talking about (@ 00:17)-
http://soundcloud.com/rlc-ltd/70d-rock- ... est-master

I'm using the Stadium Heavy Metal kit crashes.