Making the jump to 64 bit
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- FlyingsCool
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Making the jump to 64 bit
Sooo.... We've now made the jump to 64 bit processing... Which means all my old 32 bit VST's are being put in wrappers, and every instance takes up memory, even if I use the same VST on different tracks I believe.
In the interest of being more efficient (hopefully), I just went through all my VST's, and replaced the ones I could with their 64 bit counterparts and removed the 32 bit versions. But being that I'm a poor home studio hobbyist, I use all freely available VST's, and haven't really looked at paying for any yet.....
****So I'm wondering, what 64 bit VST's are y'all (ya'll?, sorry, I'm a yankee) usin'?
I'm really liking the Voxengo stuff. Their reverb is great for me, easy to use and sounds good to my ear. Others I've found are Tokyo Dawn, (VOS is all 32 bit as far as I can tell.), BlueCat and Reaper plugins, as well as TAL. G-VST comes in 64 bit, but I haven't tried theirs yet. So far, I'm just getting to know my library.
Are all the Acoustica effects 64 bit?
I'm open to both free and payware as long as they don't break the bank... I'd be willing to spend on the order of 10's of dollars I think at the moment, maybe more if they are really worth it. But, again, remember, I'm only a hobbyist here, just recording myself at the moment. So free is better (although I do believe in paying people for their work)....
(VST4Free doesn't seem to have a filter for Win64 style VST's so searching that will be tedious at best)
Thanks
In the interest of being more efficient (hopefully), I just went through all my VST's, and replaced the ones I could with their 64 bit counterparts and removed the 32 bit versions. But being that I'm a poor home studio hobbyist, I use all freely available VST's, and haven't really looked at paying for any yet.....
****So I'm wondering, what 64 bit VST's are y'all (ya'll?, sorry, I'm a yankee) usin'?
I'm really liking the Voxengo stuff. Their reverb is great for me, easy to use and sounds good to my ear. Others I've found are Tokyo Dawn, (VOS is all 32 bit as far as I can tell.), BlueCat and Reaper plugins, as well as TAL. G-VST comes in 64 bit, but I haven't tried theirs yet. So far, I'm just getting to know my library.
Are all the Acoustica effects 64 bit?
I'm open to both free and payware as long as they don't break the bank... I'd be willing to spend on the order of 10's of dollars I think at the moment, maybe more if they are really worth it. But, again, remember, I'm only a hobbyist here, just recording myself at the moment. So free is better (although I do believe in paying people for their work)....
(VST4Free doesn't seem to have a filter for Win64 style VST's so searching that will be tedious at best)
Thanks
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
And as a side note, what VST's do you all use? I'm still new to all this mixing and mastering.
What I know a little about (but not much) Reverb, EQ, Compression, delay for adjusting sound (not including typical guitar effects as well).
What I know a little about (but not much) Reverb, EQ, Compression, delay for adjusting sound (not including typical guitar effects as well).
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
And why is my acoustic guitar recording sounding flat, I'm expecting a little more sustain on the chords, but they tend to roll off quickly. How do I increase the sustain to get a little more body in the sound? Compression? What else?
Mic position? I've moved it around without really getting what I'm expecting. Guitar in question is a Taylor 614CE
Mic position? I've moved it around without really getting what I'm expecting. Guitar in question is a Taylor 614CE
Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
You didn't mention your system specs. You might not have had to make such a drastic jump.....yet. The main reason I like 64 bit is I can now utilize all the RAM on my machine. In 32 bit Mixcraft 6 I was wrapping some 64 bit VSTis with jBridge to access that RAM.
As far as what non-Acoustica 64 bit VSTs I use regularly: EWQL Play and Spaces, Kontakt 5, and Omnisphere.
As far as what non-Acoustica 64 bit VSTs I use regularly: EWQL Play and Spaces, Kontakt 5, and Omnisphere.
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Currently, an HP Z-Book 15 laptop with 16 GB Ram, 700 GB fast secondary hard drive (where I store recordings), 250 GB C hard drive (not sure what speeds the disks are), Intel i7-4800MQ @ 2.70 GHz, Win7 Pro. Computer is rated at 7.0 so far. I haven't done much to optimize it.
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
The Plugins, Plugins, Plugins room here is a good one, lots of info and links to all kind of vst sites, free and paid. I'm just learning but I can say that some good advice that I was given is to learn a specific vst (compression, reverb etc) and learn it really well, really well. Meaning, find ones for every use that you like and get to know it inside and out. That's helped me a ton.
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
Hi,
You shouldn't worry about running 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Mixcraft unless they are causing you performance issues. If everything is running smoothly, just enjoy the convenience of using the plugins you're accustomed to.
Greg
You shouldn't worry about running 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Mixcraft unless they are causing you performance issues. If everything is running smoothly, just enjoy the convenience of using the plugins you're accustomed to.
Greg
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Well, yes, I am running into performance issues.
It gets very disconcerting when, while recording, it looks like the system has stopped, like somehow I've accidentally hit the space bar or something, only to realize that it's just a graphics glitch, and the system was recording the whole time and eventually catches up, most of the time.
My singer really likes to hear the effects on when she is singing. So I really want to have effects on while recording.
I do need to go through the optimization stuff you've posted, but this is my work computer, too, so I'm a little limited in what I can do with the computer. Plus, I can't turn off the Sophos anti-virus stuff, our IT department doesn't allow us to do that, so I'm a little stuck in that regard.
Finally, hell yes, if I'm going to go 64 bit, I'm imagining that taking wrapper stuff out gives me one less thing to worry about when debugging issues, might as well get the best I can.
I will say, since going to M7 64, I'm seeing more performance issues than I saw with M6 32. But that could be due to a host of issues and usage parameters, so I don't want to blame anything here.
Plus, it also gets disconcerting seeing 20 or even more Mixcraft processes going while wondering where my system performance went.
Tom
P.S., plus, I think it would be good to get a good discussion going here about what tools people use and get some ideas of what's available out there, as well as HOW people use the tools.
It gets very disconcerting when, while recording, it looks like the system has stopped, like somehow I've accidentally hit the space bar or something, only to realize that it's just a graphics glitch, and the system was recording the whole time and eventually catches up, most of the time.
My singer really likes to hear the effects on when she is singing. So I really want to have effects on while recording.
I do need to go through the optimization stuff you've posted, but this is my work computer, too, so I'm a little limited in what I can do with the computer. Plus, I can't turn off the Sophos anti-virus stuff, our IT department doesn't allow us to do that, so I'm a little stuck in that regard.
Finally, hell yes, if I'm going to go 64 bit, I'm imagining that taking wrapper stuff out gives me one less thing to worry about when debugging issues, might as well get the best I can.
I will say, since going to M7 64, I'm seeing more performance issues than I saw with M6 32. But that could be due to a host of issues and usage parameters, so I don't want to blame anything here.
Plus, it also gets disconcerting seeing 20 or even more Mixcraft processes going while wondering where my system performance went.
Tom
P.S., plus, I think it would be good to get a good discussion going here about what tools people use and get some ideas of what's available out there, as well as HOW people use the tools.
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P.S. I found this link to the 40 top VST's of 2014, many of which have 64 bit versions, and, interestingly enough, I was already using many of the tools listed
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2014/12 ... gins-2014/
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2014/12 ... gins-2014/
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
Hi,
If you use 32-bit Mixcraft, do the performance issues go away? In other words, maybe the 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Mixcraft aren't the issue.
Greg
If you use 32-bit Mixcraft, do the performance issues go away? In other words, maybe the 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Mixcraft aren't the issue.
Greg
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Re: Making the jump to 64 bit
Tools? I have 2 large toolbox drawers full of hammers and a couple more big ones out in the shed........
Seriously, i cant offer much advise on the 64 Bit route, I dont have the computer power or really the need at this point to justify it. So I am using 32. Works quite well for me.
Seems to require a big jump in horsepower to really make it worth the leap.
Seriously, i cant offer much advise on the 64 Bit route, I dont have the computer power or really the need at this point to justify it. So I am using 32. Works quite well for me.
Seems to require a big jump in horsepower to really make it worth the leap.
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I can't say that they are. Can I install 32 bit and 64 bit at the same time? (not run at the same time, clearly)Acoustica Greg wrote:Hi,
If you use 32-bit Mixcraft, do the performance issues go away? In other words, maybe the 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Mixcraft aren't the issue.
Greg
Are projects cross-compatible?
then I'd have to go back and reinstall the various 32 bit VST's I just deleted (though I imagine they are all still in my recycle bin... yay!)
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Checking the specs......HP Z-Book 15 laptop with 16 GB Ram, 700 GB fast secondary hard drive (where I store recordings), 250 GB C hard drive (not sure what speeds the disks are), Intel i7-4800MQ @ 2.70 GHz, Win7 Pro
Yikes!! that retails for almost $1K more than the parts did for my rig. Are both drives in the box or is one external?
That kind of sounds like a driver or even more likely a heat issue. With all that stuff crammed into a little box there has to be a lot of heat, especially if you are basically working off of one drive....and that HD graphics card. I just sold my DV7 which got VERY hot when I ran Mixraft on it. Maybe you need one of those cooler pads????t gets very disconcerting when, while recording, it looks like the system has stopped, like somehow I've accidentally hit the space bar or something, only to realize that it's just a graphics glitch, and the system was recording the whole time and eventually catches up, most of the time.
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Yes, both drives are in the laptop. I did have a problem with my secondary drive (it kept blue screening the computer, and the computer was at the point where it was saying the drive was imminently about to fail), so I had IT swap in a new one. I haven't had a chance to test the upgrade with Mixcraft yet (the drive was originally some no-name brand, now it's a seagate and it seems faster).
But I don't necessarily think the drive was the issue, since, the recording was going along fine, it was the graphics updating that was pausing.
But I don't necessarily think the drive was the issue, since, the recording was going along fine, it was the graphics updating that was pausing.
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No I was just looking at the heat in general. Heat from CPU + Heat from RAM + Heat from mechanical drives + Heat from graphics card = Lotsa heat. Laptops in general do not have a very good reputation for running cool.
On my previous rig I fried my graphics card for no apparent reason and just before it was behaving just as you described. That was in an Antek 900 case so heat shouldn't have been a problem; yet according to the tech that's what did it.
I have a hot swap bay on my present rig that allows me to switch up hard drives during backup (and add an easy extra SSD when not backing up ). They are WD Black and Red 1T mechanical drives and they are quite warm when I detach them. Put that inside a laptop and......
On my previous rig I fried my graphics card for no apparent reason and just before it was behaving just as you described. That was in an Antek 900 case so heat shouldn't have been a problem; yet according to the tech that's what did it.
I have a hot swap bay on my present rig that allows me to switch up hard drives during backup (and add an easy extra SSD when not backing up ). They are WD Black and Red 1T mechanical drives and they are quite warm when I detach them. Put that inside a laptop and......
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