Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

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Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by spiralsofdanu » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:37 am

Hi All

I'm fairly new to Mixcraft Pro 7 and am having a bit of a headscratcher moment.

I have created a Direct Input for reamping. The starting tempo is 80bpm, and from bar 15 to 20 it gradually accelerates to 130bpm.

In Mixcraft, I have set the markers with the different bpms, but when I go to the track automation I only have the options of pan and volume. However, in the 5 bar acceleration part, I cannot seem to create a graduated automation, which is resulting in the midi-mapped drums becoming out of sync.

Any ideas?

Thanks

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by chibear » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:59 am

You probably need more markers. From my experience, an increase of more than 3BPM in a marker when attempting an accelerando will result in a rough spasmodic increase. Using my formula above, you would probably need 17 or 18 markers in the 5 bars.

However, why the MIDI drums would be out of sync is a mystery to me.

EDIT: On further reflection, when you add your markers, make sure snap is on and set to a resolution that when you add your markers you can snap them to an event in your MIDI drums. That should do it......I think.
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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by Anorax » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:35 am

Mixcraft does not have any direct method of doing smooth accelerandos, which is a shame. It'd be a useful tool for sure.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by mick » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:04 am

The seemingly offending post has been removed. Twas but a suggestion for the back burner - no probs. :wink:
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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by spiralsofdanu » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:11 am

mick wrote:This would be a good time to suggest a tempo track using automation points to increase/decrease tempo over a chosen time, here's a little example.
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This is exactly what I'm trying to do.
I know I can do it it in Guitar Pro (where I'm creating my DI's) and in Pro Tools 12 (but I'm not a fan of the interface)... yet how do I do it in Mixcraft 7?

It is it a question of creating an incremental bpm on every single beat in each bar of the accelerating part?

Or is there an easier method, perhaps via some sort of automation feature that I'm overlooking?

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by chibear » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:34 am

You folks can fantasize about what would be a great feature, or fork out $500+ for a DAW that has that feature and live with all the complicated routing 'features' that come with it, or if you want to accomplish the task today, follow my suggestions in my previous post, because I would predict we are not going to see a 'conductor' or 'tempo' track any time soon, if ever.
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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by spiralsofdanu » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:38 am

chibear wrote:You folks can fantasize about what would be a great feature, or fork out $500+ for a DAW that has that feature and live with all the complicated routing 'features' that come with it, or if you want to accomplish the task today, follow my suggestions in my previous post, because I would predict we are not going to see a 'conductor' or 'tempo' track any time soon, if ever.
The issue isn't really the money... it's a question of functionality. I have PT12, but am not really into the workflow or layout which I don't find to be particularly intuitive.

I absolutely adore Mixcraft 7, and I'm trying to explore an automation feature that can create the "acceleration" effect.

I have given your suggestion ago, but the end effect sounds like a series of steps rather than a gradated approach.

I open to ideas.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by Acoustica Greg » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:31 pm

Hi,

Track markers is the only way to do it in Mixcraft. Mixcraft 7 and 8 don't have an option to gradually increase or decrease the tempo, but track markers work well for most songs.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by Slimy » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:28 pm

My solution to this has always been to just add a ton of tempo markers until I can't hear the difference.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by Ianpb » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:43 pm

Slimy wrote:My solution to this has always been to just add a ton of tempo markers until I can't hear the difference.
That occurred to me, and does indeed seem to be the best solution. The more markers installed, the higher the resolution, thus making the transition sound much smoother than with fewer markers. It's like comparing a low resolution picture with one that's of high definition.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by mick » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:18 am

Chibear wrote: You folks can fantasize about what would be a great feature, or fork out $500+ for a DAW that has that feature and live with all the complicated routing 'features' that come with it, or if you want to accomplish the task today, follow my suggestions in my previous post, because I would predict we are not going to see a 'conductor' or 'tempo' track any time soon, if ever.
I think I'm going to agree, I shouldn't have made the suggestion for a tempo track don't really know what I was thinking there,I must be going crazy as I recover from the flu. :shock: I predict we are going to see very little of any suggestion.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by Acoustica Greg » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:05 pm

mick wrote: I predict we are going to see very little of any suggestion.
It's true we aren't going to add any more new features to Mixcraft 8, because we need to release it, but what about all the customer suggestions we already included? Like VST3 support, nested submixes, light track background option, MIDI clock sync, multiple track selection, file browser option, MP4 video support, latency compensation for submixes, native sidechaining, mixer customization, automatic quantization of MIDI recording, enhanced stem creation, drag and drop effects, etc?

We have to cut off the new features at some point, or we'll never release the new version.
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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by mick » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:46 am

Greg, Point taken and you and the hard working devs have my apology and I withdraw my comment.

BUT! My comment was initiated by the fact the piano roll has not been updated since it was introduced in Mx4, its as if you guys have totally refused to acknowledge its presence (I'm serious!) and this I just do not get at all because Mixcraft has a great sound library, in fact some of it is better than Miroslav Philharmonic but we need better access to it. More composing tools! I can input in real time but sometimes tricky bits require the diligence step input can offer, or adding chords to a melody line played in real time or again by step input. Using a mouse to input notes is a real PIA and an inspiration killer, you have to get the music written before any of the things you mention become of any use, I've been trying since Mx6 for step input and this is why I said "I predict we are going to see very little of any suggestion" I should have added "regarding the piano roll". So my apology is for not being more specific. Mixcraft is a great program but for midi users this is the weak link, and year after year it continues as such. Maybe someday soon in the new year you will add this feature as an update, it will make a difference.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by aj113 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:40 am

MC 7 has step input.

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Re: Mixcraft 7 Pro Studio 7 - how to create an accelerating BPM?

Post by AHornsby » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:08 am

Acoustica Greg wrote:
We have to cut off the new features at some point, or we'll never release the new version.

You know, you could just make it ver. 8.0.∞

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