Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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Re: Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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Yes.., and I may have isolated the problem. Need to run a quick test.

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squeakie wrote:Wow! I still have MixCraft 7, so I tried it out, and no fatal errors or crashes. For now, it’s running fine. I’ll just use MC7 when I want to work with Philharmonik 2. Glad I didn’t delete it :D

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Oh, that's very interesting. Thanks for passing it along. I'll add it to the bug report.

Are you using the same sound device and Sound Device preferences settings in Mixcraft 7?

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Found something interesting Greg!

Under MixCraft 7 when I open an instance of Philharmonik 2, I noticed in the mixer there are TWO parts to each instance each with a slider. Main part titled Philharmonik 2 and the other something to do with I/O audio. A plus icon also appears and referenced “children tracks”.

This doesn’t happen in MixCraft 8. That separate I/O “children track” doesn’t appear at all, and the mixer shows just Philharmonik 2, and doesn’t have the separate audio “child track” I assume. Hope this helps.

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Re: Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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You probably just have it set differently. You could try setting the outputs the same way in Mixcraft 8 to see if that prevents the crash.

Here's a graphic showing how to configure multiple outs:

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I’f that’s the case then what changed in 8 all of a sudden. MC7 did that routing automatically. I’m assuming the other member who’s past project open and play had MC8 do it automatically too, then something changed.

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Re: Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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Hi,

Not sure. Check it out and see if adding outputs in Mixcraft 8 makes a difference. Or if Philharmonik even shows up as a multi-out VSTi.

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It worked..., had to add the outputs. MC7 automatically assigned them, but 8 is not, or possibly did, but something has changed.., but it is working now. Just have to remember to assign the outputs now. Thx Greg for your help.

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Hi,

Wow, thanks for testing this. So, the other question would be this: does Mixcraft 7 crash if you turn off the outputs?

Also, see how there's an option at the bottom of the Output Channel dialog that says: "Automatically add all instrument output tracks for Virtual Instruments?" You could put a checkmark next to that box.

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This is interesting!

Under MixCraft 7, if you load Philharmonik 2, load a sound into the player, with the output “unchecked” you get no sound at all. I didn’t even bother trying to record since the output is gone.

However, in MixCraft 8, you can load Philharmonik 2, then load a sound into the player, not have an output assigned, and still hear the sound you play. It will crash upon playback without the assigned output. Interesting....

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Re: Philharmonik 2 crashing MixCraft-9 Pro!

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Hi

This issue appears unresolved in Mixcraft 9:

Miroslav 2 - works fine as standalone instrument outside Mixcraft.
Mixcraft 9 - New Project - Crashes when selecting Miroslav 2 "Options" button.
Mixcraft 9 - New Project - Miroslav works until playing back a midi track. Error - "A failure has been detected in the instrument "Philharmonik 2 This Plug-in has been muted"
Mixcraft 9 - When opening an older template from Mixcraft 8 prior to the issues coming up - the instrument works fine. Selecting the Options button still causes a crash.
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Hi,

We looked into it, and Philharmonik 2 just crashes. We don't think there is anything we can do to prevent it from crashing on our end. I wonder if they will patch it? Be sure to report this problem to them.

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Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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Hi

Received feedback with IK Multimedia on this. Tried using the instrument in Sample Tank 3 environment rather that the Miroslav instrument, but the same issue arose. They feel that since I am able to use the instrument in Mixcraft 8 and 9 with an old template - then the issue resides with Acoustica.

I guess as long as the old template works and I always open new projects with it I am ok, otherwise will need to look at replacing the DAW or the Orchestral Library.
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Re: Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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Not getting any issues that I can see with Sampletank 3 vst and vst3.

Only way I can record onto multiple tracks is by NOT using lanes but outputs 1&2 3&4 etc but I cannot see where it makes any sense, I may as well just put ST on a single track and assign multiple instruments within the Sampletank gui, then add effects within the gui. As I mentoned before (a few times) lanes do not work with multi out vst's, you need midi tracks.
The alternative to midi tracks (and in reality is pretty much the same) is to start with a single track and put Sampletank on that, then duplicate the track for as many instances as is required, so if you need 3 string, 4 woodwind, and piano you need to duplicate 7 times. then assign one instrument to each instance of ST. Taking the time to make a template may be worthwhile as practiced by proffesionals, sometimes taking up a lot of time irrespective of the daw, midi tracks is a bit quicker and more convenient with the same result.
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Thanks for the feedback - however the issue an error that mutes Miroslav as soon as you try and play back a midi track, whether set up for multi-timbre or not. Also an immediate crash if you try and select the options icon.
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Hi,

You don't have any of those problems with the old template? What's different about that template?

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Re: Philharmonik 2-CE crashing MixCraft-8 Pro!

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All I remember is I made it back in MC 8 after having issues. I think I opened an old project that had worked, and deleted all the midi info to use as a 'clean sheet'. It opens with Miroslav already loaded in multi-timbral format.
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