For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

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Re: For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

Post by Mark Bliss » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:33 pm

freightgod wrote:It's called sleep, Mark! :roll:
I'll sleep when I'm dead. Until then its an inefficient use of time. 8)
chibear wrote:Tried to answer best I can......

you have this set up as a multi timbral.....all outputting to the same channel

this is some strangeness I have found from the beginning. If you want to use clip automation it is best to put it all in one lane. As set up you cannot balance the instruments. To do that you need to set up a multi channel instance so that each instruments outputs to a different stereo pair and then better to do your volume envelopes in the child tracks
Yep, I am knowingly doing it "wrong" in the experiment, though I always very much appreciate any tutelage on doing it "right" of course. Still have TONS to learn! Especially in all things MIDI.

One question is, if the lanes are MIDI data, what exactly is the envelope doing? Technically speaking.

The secondary question/issue is this:
Several of the discussions and communications with the dev team during this beta test experience reinforced that part of the ideology behind Mixcraft's design is flexibility. In other words, specific to this example- the ability for the user to configure the routing in whatever way suits them. Even if its "illogical" as I put it in one exchange.

Therefore, when I do something odd, and get a result as I did here, I question:
"Should it do that?" IE: should Mixcraft allow that setup, or that result? If the result is undesirable, could a change make it more desirable or useful? Or could a change be made that reduced the chance of a user getting frustrated or annoyed that the function isn't what they desired or expected?

To the point, this is all IMO, part of the creative path to creating a product that contains improvements, while remaining intuitive and as the motto states, "easy to use".
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Re: For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

Post by Acoustica Greg » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:07 pm

Hi,

Wait, you're not using Route to Track? You're just just doing the regular multi-lane multi-timbral thing?

This topic was about Route to Track, so that's what I was talking about. If you are using Sampletank on a track that has multiple lanes, it's normal for the clip envelopes to work.

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Re: For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

Post by Mark Bliss » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:18 pm

Yeah, of course your right.
I got to thinking about the difference between what was presented as a new option and some thoughts about the previous method and then went off on a tangent, rabbit holing the thread. Sorry!
Not like that ever happens...... :lol:

But.... have you explored what I described? Do you think it a bug, quirk, or just the result of an odd configuration?
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Re: For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

Post by Acoustica Greg » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:37 am

Hi,

Somebody recently pointed out that MIDI clip automation on one lane will effect all clips at the same time. That's just the way it's going to work, because it's only MIDI being sent to the VST on the track, no audio. The VST wouldn't know that one note had a different volume from another. We are summing the volume for all the clips in this case.

With audio, it works as you would expect.

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Re: For those of you using multi-out orchestral plugins...

Post by Acoustica Greg » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:34 pm

...and as I mentioned before, clip envelopes have no effect when they are on "Route To Track" tracks.
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