Amp Modeling?
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Agree Mark, the thing with ALL amp modelling circuits, is that they are all digital circuits and lets face it, the good tube guitar amps are all analogue, with some later designs using some digital circuitry in the pre amp stage to obtain effects etc, but the real deal amps are all tube design. I use a 20 watt all tube amp, my build, and it so fat in sound, but when I put a Vox Tonelab effects unit in front of it, it does thin out the sound a bit. The Vox uses a tube in the design, but that is a bit of a gimmick, as the balance of the circuitry is ''chip'' based. I don't care what brand of equipment it is, but once an analogue signal is converted to digital, it is not going to have that nice ''rounded, warm'' sound. Digital signal is either ''on or off'', as it is just zeros and ones, analogue is a complete sine wave that just swings from a positive to a negative sound wave. In other words, it is never totally on or off, as with digital. Digital was never designed for audio use, but yes, it does have it's uses now that we are used to it's convenience. If anyone needs to compare, just listen to an acoustic guitar recording, made on a high end tape recorder, then listen to the same recording done on a digital machine. No contest.
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I'd love to hear your guitar playing? I'm mainly a bassist but I play guitar too... I posted a link to my newest song "THE GRIND" over on the USERS SHOWCASE forum.guitbuddy wrote:Click on +fx in Mixcraft 8 and checkout the Shred Amp Simulator.
thanks . are you a guitarist? I recall really disliking that plugin.
https://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewto ... 10&t=24905
PS: Did you find a guitar amp modeling plugin you like yet?
- Joe -
MX9PS, 64-bit, build 460. Windows 10, Intel i5, 64-bit, 1.8GHz, 8GB.
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MX9PS, 64-bit, build 460. Windows 10, Intel i5, 64-bit, 1.8GHz, 8GB.
Reverbnation: https://www.reverbnation.com/joelouvar
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Hi,
When you record your 20w amp does it still sound warm/hot?
When we record we are converting the analog to digital in Mixcraft. If your amp sound still sounds good when recorded it may be an issue with the equipment you place before the amp.
I have recorded amps and a Leslie speaker with good results. Converting the microphone analog signals to digital did not change the amp sounds. In the daw I am able to adjust the EQ when needed, usually to remove the low bass and noise, or high end hiss.
You could try adding effects in the daw, and use the one that fits the sound you are after.
If you want to record the effect, take time to get the sound you want and mic it accordingly.
Hope this helps.
- Myran.
When you record your 20w amp does it still sound warm/hot?
When we record we are converting the analog to digital in Mixcraft. If your amp sound still sounds good when recorded it may be an issue with the equipment you place before the amp.
I have recorded amps and a Leslie speaker with good results. Converting the microphone analog signals to digital did not change the amp sounds. In the daw I am able to adjust the EQ when needed, usually to remove the low bass and noise, or high end hiss.
You could try adding effects in the daw, and use the one that fits the sound you are after.
If you want to record the effect, take time to get the sound you want and mic it accordingly.
Hope this helps.
- Myran.
Mixcraft 10.5Pro596, Win. 10 64Bit, Intel i5 @ 3.20GHz, ssd 250GB(os),1TB hdd(library audio),1TB hdd (recorded audio),Nvidia GeForce1050i video,16GB RAM,Focusrite 18I20 3rd gen usb,Motu 5 ch.midi interface, D5,U220,Keystation88,B4000+,Leslie,Rhodes73mk1
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the white wedding singer sounds pretty good.jlouvar wrote:I'd love to hear your guitar playing? I'm mainly a bassist but I play guitar too... I posted a link to my newest song "THE GRIND" over on the USERS SHOWCASE forum.guitbuddy wrote:Click on +fx in Mixcraft 8 and checkout the Shred Amp Simulator.
thanks . are you a guitarist? I recall really disliking that plugin.
https://forums.acoustica.com/bbs/viewto ... 10&t=24905
PS: Did you find a guitar amp modeling plugin you like yet?
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When you record your 20w amp does it still sound warm/hot? I presume you are asking me the question. No, the tube amp guitar sound when played back from the recording computer, using any DAW, not just Mixcraft, never has the same rich sound. And I expect that as we stated earlier, it is trying to convert analogue to digital, and back to analogue again so that our ears can hear it. A sine wave is simply not zeros and ones, but hell, it is very convenient. I can take my ZOOM digital multitracker out into the desert if I needed to, and record. A 16 track tape machine is a ''little'' more of a problem. lol
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That's one of my old friends "Will Patrick" singing and I recorded the song many years ago (back when the song was popular on the radio) on a little Tascam cassette 4-track porta studio in the Livingroom.guitbuddy wrote:the white wedding singer sounds pretty good.
BTW: If you haven't found a guitar amp simulator that you like, put a mic on your guitar amp.
- Joe -
MX9PS, 64-bit, build 460. Windows 10, Intel i5, 64-bit, 1.8GHz, 8GB.
Reverbnation: https://www.reverbnation.com/joelouvar
MX9PS, 64-bit, build 460. Windows 10, Intel i5, 64-bit, 1.8GHz, 8GB.
Reverbnation: https://www.reverbnation.com/joelouvar
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The Best FREE Guitar VST Plugins are.(Some links don't work anymore, you're going to have to google them)
https://thehomerecordings.com/free-guitar-vst-plugins/
LePou
http://www.vst4free.com/index.php?dev=LePou
https://thehomerecordings.com/free-guitar-vst-plugins/
LePou
http://www.vst4free.com/index.php?dev=LePou
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Still one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXjRj3AUWg Mostly for Electric guitar.
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I've been enjoying Tonelib-GFX (https://tonelib.net/gfx-overview/).
Pros:
Pros:
- It's free
- Good range of presents
- Very editable
- I can't persuade it to restore the selected setting(s) on a track(s) when I load a project - MC remembers which setting I used but I have to re-select it track by track. A mild irritation for me at present, could be a show-stopper for others, ymmv
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guitar rig 5 is definitely the best i've ever used. it has some incredible patches and it sits very well in a mix.
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A bit old at this point but still sounds really good is Waves GTR 3. It is absolutely the best bang for the buck (it's currently $36 on-sale).
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I agree 100%, use GTR's Drive amp all the time. The "DriveLite" (Super Reverb) preset is fab with Strats/Teles.
Focusrite Scarlett SOLO 3rd Gen --> Intel i3-9100, 8 GB RAM --> Windows 10 Pro --> Mixcraft 10.5 Pro Studio
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Positive Grid BIAS is what I use and it's incredibly good. Great emulations for some of the most popular amps and pedals available. I could go on and on about it but you should start by reading these VST plugin reviews. I know that GTR3 and Guitar Rig Session are wildly popular as well. And if you are looking for something free, definitely check out LePou Plugins. Free and works on both Windows or MAC OS.
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....and if you want to go way way way deeper check this out: https://honestampsimreviews.com/categor ... /amp-sims/
I'm currently using Fuse Audio Labs F-59 alongside good old Waves GTR3, which still sounds great to me
I'm currently using Fuse Audio Labs F-59 alongside good old Waves GTR3, which still sounds great to me
Focusrite Scarlett SOLO 3rd Gen --> Intel i3-9100, 8 GB RAM --> Windows 10 Pro --> Mixcraft 10.5 Pro Studio