Copyright Claims using AI - Anyone had any issues??

[Mr.Mxyzptlk]

Happy 2025 to you all!

I came across this video today, which got me thinking. I've never used AI for creating music but have used samples from Splice and of course, Mixcraft itself to add to my tracks. Are there going to be issues further down the line as alluded to by Venus Theory?

Anybody fallen foul of this already? Video is below...

https://youtu.be/LrkAORPiaEA?si=2quJOgomFN9btxPr

[cactus-head]

Hi,

I skimmed through it but the basic gist seemed to be that for musical works, copyright ownership is becoming ambiguous, and current laws, at least US laws are not in pace with how creative works are being created and what "pieces" belong to who or what. Is that a fair summary?

If you read through report 1 from the copyright office https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright- ... Report.pdf you can see the extent to which there is an attempt to identify and categorize artificially replicated or created material with the ultimate goal aligning with an individual's right to privacy. That right can transcend into creative works from which the creator can benefit; and if that right is infringed upon how to legally deal with that.

I think what's convoluted all of this are big businesses or content services like Youtube for example, policing copyright by using comparative algorithms against datasets that may or may not actually prove legitimate copyright holding. A work may be copyrighted upon creation but that is a weak legal copyright. If it is actually registered with the copyright office, its presence and date in the library of congress serves as a more substantial grounds for defense. I highly doubt youtube is accessing the library of congress to find copyrighted works, the registered creator and the material itself and doing a fair comparison to anything that is being challenged.

It comes down to - people want shortcuts and want to make money. They will do anything to this end. So will copyright issues get worse? No doubt. Will business try and claim everything that you post or create or add on a website as their own property? Absolutely. Will AI continue to be used to replicate existing material and personas for someones monetary benefit or for just plain maliciousness? You can bet on it.

[Mr.Mxyzptlk]

I just found it interesting/alarming that someone can just piggyback onto your legitimate work then copyright their material, leaving your original work out in the cold having to fight for it's life. That is just bizarre!

[ppayne]

I think copyright law will be abolished at some point. No matter what you think, it no longer makes sense in connection with AI. I don't think AI will disappear again.

Whether that's better is another question.

Patrick

[cactus-head]

... it no longer makes sense in connection with AI.

Patrick

Not sure what that statement means. Are you saying it no longer makes sense to try and protect individuals rights to their creation?

[ppayne]

... it no longer makes sense in connection with AI.

Patrick

Not sure what that statement means. Are you saying it no longer makes sense to try and protect individuals rights to their creation?

Yes, indeed. That's at least my suspicion. The big tech companies don't care about copyright and train their language models with everything available. With AI, the Wild West is back when it comes to copyright. The effort to distinguish between protected and public content is too expensive for the big AI providers. They don't even want to integrate content filters into YouTube. But since the added value of AI is more important for society, I believe copyright will disappear completely. The first discussions on this are already underway in the EU.

The future is likely to be difficult for content creators if they plan to make money from it. Not to mention that they're competing with AI.

If humanity wants to achieve general AI, then they won't be able to take content creators into consideration. New business sectors will probably develop without copyright. That's at least my personal view.

I don't think that's a good thing either. But the past proves it time and again, and I think that's technological progress

Patrick

[cactus-head]

If that's the case then I guess "humanity" doesn't care enough about itself to fight for itself. Seems about right.