Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hello,

There have been multiple posts by multiple people on plugins not sizing correctly, images not being redrawn - my own experiences with mixcraft controllers and VST controls not being redrawn, resizing plugins not working etc.

While the concept of scaling the display in MC 10 is admirable, my experience with loading old projects or trying different plugins and constantly having messed around with the Windows display settings to scale to 100% so I can use Mixcraft and checking and unchecking the DPI controls in Mixcrafts preferences has definitely left a bad taste in my mouth.

Just now, I tried loading an old project from MC 9 into MC10.5 with the goal of testing Bias FX on the old guitar tracks. First - the old guitar sim controls would NOT redraw when I tried switching things. The actual values were changing (not visible though without a refresh) so that was the first problem. Next I added Bias as an effect. Below you can see the screen for the effect is cutoff and it can't be resized. To get it to work, I have to go into preferences and disable Per Monitor DPI Awareness or change some other setting and then restart Mixcraft.

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I've reached a saturation point where it just isn't fun to use MC 10 because one set of settings for one plugin, messes things up for another. I tried the same thing in MC 9 and it all just worked without tweaking settings in Windows or MC.

Please change the DPI awareness programming or add a single option to ignore it entirely on Windows 10 and above like it does for windows 7.
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

The "Ignore DPI Awareness" setting sets Mixcraft 10 to work the way Mixcraft 9 did. Mixcraft 9 ignores the Windows DPI setting.

Mixcraft 10 is designed to scale smoothly to high resolutions, and many plugins are also designed to scale properly, but as you've mentioned, not all of them do.

I wonder if there's a Windows DPI compatibility setting you can tweak to get things working the way you want.

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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Where is this "Ignore DPI Awareness" switch?
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

It's in Display preferences, and the setting is called "Disable Per-Monitor DPI Awareness."

To play around with the Windows DPI settings, right-click on Mixcraft's icon, select Properties, and look on the Compatibility tab.

Greg

Disable per-monitor DPI awareness setting.
Disable per-monitor DPI awareness setting.
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

I thought maybe there was a different button. That one is hit and miss. Covers some circumstances and not others.
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

It makes it work the way that Mixcraft 9 worked. Older versions of Mixcraft looked fuzzy in high resolutions, and Mixcraft 10 fixes that, but not all plugins scale well.

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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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The DPI-awareness problems continue. The DPI awareness functionality in Mixcraft 10.5 can cause certain plugins to crash MIxcraft.

I put together a video that shows a plug-in crashing MC 10.5 when ignore DPI awareness is checked and not crashing when it is unchecked.

Not sure what the commonality with the plugins are but besides the rendering problem listed at the top of this thread, there are crash problems with

DensitymkIII
DubShox
Shreddage
Plugins by G-Sonique
Plugins by Pentode
EU-PromixEQ

The issues do not occur in Mixcraft 9 so the checking or unchecking of the DPI box in MC 10.5 doesn't mirror the behavior of MC 9.

And several others. There're too many to test and list timewise because when a crash occurs, everything has to be reset. It seems to be 32 bit related for the crashes but the redrawing problem is hit and miss for anything it seems 32bit or 64 bit. I can't find a commonality with that.

https://youtu.be/IUrGi33dgF4

To be clear - with "Disable per-monitor DPI awareness" unchecked, the plugins don't crash but there are graphical problems with redrawing properly. With the box checked, the plugins will crash MC 10.5

This may tie back to with Windows 11 DPI setting as I keep mine at 125%
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

Send in your log files so we can see what's going on, please.

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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

Did you try the same test that is in the video?
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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

I set Windows to 125% and tried using DensityMKIII, which worked fine with DPI disabled. Then I watched your video and tried it with Dubshox H8, and that worked just fine as well.

Your log files might provide further clues about what's going on.

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Hi,

Are you seeing a similar problem with the XBass 4000 plugin?

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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

Anybody who is having this 32-bit plugin problem with the option to disable DPI (in Mixcraft's Display preferences) can try this instead:

1. Turn off the option to Disable DPI in Mixcraft's Display preferences.
2. Quit Mixcraft, then right-click on Mixcraft's icon and select Properties.
3. On the Compatibility tab, select Change high DPI settings.
4. Select High DPI scaling override.
5. Set it to System.
6. Open up Mixcraft and see if the problem is fixed.

This should allow Melodyne to scale properly and also allow 32-bit plugins to work.

Note: the 32-bit plugin problem only happens if you have disabled DPI awareness in Mixcraft's Display preferences AND also have Windows scaled in its display settings.

Greg

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Re: Mixcraft Pro 10.5 DPI "awareness" problems

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Hi,

Those settings changes did the trick. It is working!

Thank you
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