MIDI hi-hat?

[gypsy101]

yep. my pedal is older but it does everything a real hi-hat could do w/in reason.
this is all midi hi-hat-
https://soundcloud.com/#rlc-ltd/guitar-futzing


"Thanks, I just mean for playing the hi hat through MC6. I have a hi hat on the Yamaha DD65 but it is like a whisper and there is no control for it - spent hours going through the manual and experimenting with settings - it's a default setting, cannot be modified. I play the DD65 through a usb FastTrack interface but line-in, I don't play it as a virtual instrument by way of the MIDI sockets (ie. direct to MixCraft by way of usb-midi cable, by-passing the interface). Possibly also it is conceivable that I could model the hi hat in MC6 if I played the DD65 through MIDI connections onto one of the MC virtual tracks instead of an audio track?"

the reason you can't adjust it is because you're using it as an audio track. use it as a midi vsti & you can adjust the velocity. also, separate the tracks w/in Mixcraft & if it still too low maybe boost it w/ eq if you need to if you need to.

[kr236rk]

it's too bad right now - am away from the DD65, need to plug her into the virtual MC6 tracks and see if I can tweak the hi-hat in MIDI. This cannot be done internal to the DD65, I have spent hours going through the effect settings and the manual, and received confirmation from Yamaha that the default pedal/stomp button hi-hat is set. Ironically, all the desktop pads can be customised but not the stomp pads, I guess that was a design oversight; that's probably why later DD65 packages included the bass drum tower (which has a vestigial control on it) and the HH controller pedal in the deal?

am not a percussionist but need drums on tracks I'm working on, so the DD65 comes in handy now and then - but that darned hi-hat sound - can hardly hear it!

not the end of the world though.

[gypsy101]

if worse comes to worse just use a hi-hat in Mixcraft's vsti's. the stadium heavy metal kit one isn't bad. you can choke cymbals in there too.

[kr236rk]

yep. my pedal is older but it does everything a real hi-hat could do w/in reason.
this is all midi hi-hat-
https://soundcloud.com/#rlc-ltd/guitar-futzing

...the reason you can't adjust it is because you're using it as an audio track. use it as a midi vsti & you can adjust the velocity. also, separate the tracks w/in Mixcraft & if it still too low maybe boost it w/ eq if you need to if you need to.

thanks - sounds good - methinks i need to swap over to MIDI pads

[bbdrmz]

Yes, the guy in the video I posted refers to the DD65 as for professional application... not so much. Maybe I should have asked if it had midi out. I didn't notice from the description, which should have been the first clue that it doesn't.

[bbdrmz]

Disclaimer. I know a thing or two about drummers but little about drums and drumming, much less electronic sets or setups....... All those rigs look like they would last about two minutes with some of the guys I have worked with by the way!

The description of the HH problem sounds like a MIDI setting, low velocity on the sample or something, not (If I understand this correctly) a problem with a pedal (or "pad")

The way I understand it, the HH should have the option of open, closed, and half closed, etc. And the ability to do things such as close immediately after a hit, or vice-versa, etc. etc. I suspect the difference between an "economy" and "deluxe" pedal might be the range and precision of these controls?

Edumicate me.

How come I can never come across humorous in text?!!
It seems you have a fine understanding my friend!

[gypsy101]

Yes, the guy in the video I posted refers to the DD65 as for professional application... not so much. Maybe I should have asked if it had midi out. I didn't notice from the description, which should have been the first clue that it doesn't.

it says midi in/out in the specs.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-pe ... ital-drums
it does-


better pic showing the midi & 2 pedal ins-


but,yeah,that thing is just a toy & no "professional" gear by any means.

[kr236rk]

it does indeed have midi in/out so can interact with Mixcraft virtual tracking.

[bbdrmz]

There you go. I couldn't see it in the picture from the website. It looks like they gave you push buttons for pedal's. Not sure their intention was for serious control with those. You'd probably get the same from another kick pedal since its just a glorified "pad" At any rate, are you utilizing the midi, or thinking of doing so?

[gypsy101]

I can't see either,even w/ 200% zoom...OFC regulation eyepeepers.
it looks like those pedals are 1/8" RCA size. if so you would just need a 1/4"female-1/8" male adapter.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/251375340758?lpid=82

RadioShack has them locally.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2103707

[kr236rk]

I can't see either,even w/ 200% zoom...OFC regulation eyepeepers.
it looks like those pedals are 1/8" RCA size. if so you would just need a 1/4"female-1/8" male adapter.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/251375340758?lpid=82

RadioShack has them locally.
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2103707

Thanks, they're standard 1/4" jacks but stereo which is thought-provoking. It makes sense that they can link up to a 'controller' then because that's where the dual plug rings would kick in.

[kr236rk]

There you go. I couldn't see it in the picture from the website. It looks like they gave you push buttons for pedal's. Not sure their intention was for serious control with those. You'd probably get the same from another kick pedal since its just a glorified "pad" At any rate, are you utilizing the midi, or thinking of doing so?

The push buttons are useless, they're not sensitive enough if you stomp them, you can get missed or double beats on a regular basis. First thing I did was mount them on board and aim kick pedals at them, then I got a bass pad tower, but that's as far as I got. Recently I was going to hook up the hi-hat socket to another pad tower but then I discovered the HH controller I think from this thread

I once trialled the DD65 through Mixcraft midi (can i stop typing MIDI in caps now [lol]) but looking for brush drums effect, which does not exist, or if it does - doesn't sound right: so went back to line-in. But if midi can pep up the hi-hat i will go back to virtual tracking the DD65, especially with the HH controller on board.

Many thanks!

[skowog]

I've got a Yamaha DD55, very similar to your set up. I am no drummer by any means but I do find the DD very helpful in laying down some basic drums tracks. I found that Guitar Hero Drum pedals can easily be swapped out for those little drum buttons for the hihat and bass drum. They are not the same as the real deal obviously, but they are vast improvement if you can get some for cheap.It's a more natural feel to have something more pedal like than a button on the floor. (We happened to have some laying around the house, but I think you can find some used ones on craigslist for cheap.)
I don't think the DD series has the capability to process anything other than Open/Closed position on the hihat, the DD55 def. does not, so it may not be helpful to bother getting a fancy pedal for that. If you need to do various positions, I would separate the drums into different tracks and add manually change the sound where you need it either by midi instrument setting or using a sound loop.

[gypsy101]

well if you're in the USA there's a couple guys on EBAY that specialize in selling digital drum parts piecemeal. here's a guy I use-
http://stores.ebay.com/DrumzRUs-Store/E ... 34.c0.m322

here's just one-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alesis-RealHat- ... 5d485e2df9

you just have to make sure they work w/ your particular controller(brain) model.

[Ianpb]

This leads me onto my own hi-hat question. Is there a means of achieving that slow attack before closing it effect? Unfortunately, not being a drummer, I don't know what it's called. It seems that only the tap-tap is available with the standard Mixcraft instrument effects. I did try bouncing the hi-hat sound from virtual instrument to audio track and then reversing it, but it just ended up sounding like a pretentiously lame attempt at reverse-track psychedelia.